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 Post subject: Burroughs' Letters
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:27 am 
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I've just been flipping through this volume and was surprised that there were basically only letters to Kerouac and Ginsberg !!!!!
So no one else saved their Burroughs letters? Did he not write more to Ferlinghetti or any to Corso? Neal? I always assumed he didnt like Neal but apparently he did.
Also there is a huge lack of letters to Lucien Carr, I'm sure more was written to him. Was there? If so, why werent they released? Was there any surviving letters to and from Joan?
Does anyone here have the answers to these questions?
Otherwise a brilliant volume if not complete.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:16 pm 
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Well, the letters are only Volume 1. Volume 2 I'm sure had a wider variety of contacts in his correspondence, and much less, I bet, with Jack Kerouac after '59. But that's my guess. Don't know about letters to Lucien Carr, -- it's a good question. A letter to or from Joan would be very interesting. There is one business letter to Lawrence Ferlinghetti in Vol. 1, though, but I don't think they really hit it off too well. But what do I know.... Maybe scant letters to Neal or various other members of their ensemble exist but weren't included by the editor's judgement. It'd be a good question to fire over to Oliver Harris, -- he's been interviewed here by one of the forum members once already.


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I have no doubt that Oliver Harris did his best to make vol 1 of the letters as complete and substantial as possible. That being said, you have to remember that a lot of people involved with those letters are still living and may have different agendas about what should be done with them. There are also legal issues -- slander and even copyright questions. (If Burroughs drafted part of NL in a letter, who owns the rights if one publisher pays for NL but another pays for the letter?)

I understand that some folks have even been, er, hostile about collaborating with anyone who wants to publish as-yet-unpublished Burroughs material. It's not easy. And for that reason I wouldn't recommend that anyone hold their breath for vol 2.

Incidentally, there are a few letters in that short volume Letters to Ginsberg that didn't make it into vol 1. I'm not sure why. Perhaps some were just redundant.

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I do see that legal issues could be a problem, not just who the letters were written to but who owns them now. Which would explain the many thank-you's by universities and institutes verses what appears to be only a few private collectors. However, since Lucien Carr is thanked among those people, one would have to wonder, even to post the question, ONLY ONE LETTER? I mean, even the David K. incident (pre and post) would have illicited at least 6 letters!
Plus there is the Joan correspondance which either never happened or was never saved but should at least be inquired into. As far as a second volume goes, I'd assume it would be letters written between 1960-1970 and at that time, Burroughs was becoming/became distant with his Columbia crew and befriended a lot of dodgy creeps and weirdos who probably think that Bill's letters are worth billions and will sell for such.
What would be nice for Burroughs' and Kerouac's correspondance/ journals (since they seem to be managed about the same) is that they get the Anais Nin treatment and one day be released complete and unexpurgated. Warts and all, if you will. But like was mentioned, dont hold your breath.
I think Oliver Harris should be applauded for his work in the field of Burroughs however I think he should also have to answer those inquiries mentioned prior.


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I don't think he'd write letters to Ferlingetti who turned down Naked Lunch. Let me say that again: turned down Naked Lunch.


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Paul Sempschi wrote:
However, since Lucien Carr is thanked among those people, one would have to wonder, even to post the question, ONLY ONE LETTER? I mean, even the David K. incident (pre and post) would have illicited at least 6 letters!


I wouldn't be surprised if that very "incident" caused a lot of letters to be destroyed!

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Plus there is the Joan correspondance which either never happened or was never saved but should at least be inquired into.


I seem to recall reading that there actually wasn't much correspondence. Think about it. In the first place, they lived together, so there wasn't much need to write each other. When Burroughs was travelling, she was dead -- so no need there. When would they have written each other?

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"I wouldn't be surprised if that very "incident" caused a lot of letters to be destroyed!"

How do you figure? I mean, the "Hippos" novel was still written and saved, by both parties. As well, I seem to recall an earnest effort by Allen, Jack and Bill to get the novel published up to the "Queer" period (Jack's selected letters). So they seemed to be very open about the subject.
As far as Joan's correspondance goes, yeah, there shouldnt be much of that around since they did live together. However, didnt Bill go on those "excavation" trips to Brazil and rural Mexico with his boyfriends during the Mexico-Joan-"Junky" period?
So there could have been letters there. Not to mention just general notes left on refrigerator door stuff. Or love letters during the Columbia period. You know, just for the romance of it, if Bill could be romantic....
Or rather, if he WAS romantic....


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Paul Sempschi wrote:
"I wouldn't be surprised if that very "incident" caused a lot of letters to be destroyed!" How do you figure?


I figure that everyone involved with the murder did what anyone involved with a murder does -- exculpate themselves. Throw out incriminating evidence of illicit liasons. Wouldn't you?

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However, didnt Bill go on those "excavation" trips to Brazil and rural Mexico with his boyfriends during the Mexico-Joan-"Junky" period? So there could have been letters there. Not to mention just general notes left on refrigerator door stuff. Or love letters during the Columbia period. You know, just for the romance of it, if Bill could be romantic.... Or rather, if he WAS romantic....


I get the impression he wasn't too worried about being "romantic" with Joan. Supposedly they had a good rapport, but all the same -- we know where he directed his letter-writing energies: boys.

Another interesting possibility, though, would be Joan's daughter. If I recall correctly, she was returned to her maternal grandparents after Joan was killed. Did she end up with any of her mother's personal effects? And if so, would the parents (ie Joan's parents) have been inclined to keep letters from the ne'er-do-well husband that shot their daughter?

I've seen almost nothing about Joan's daughter over the years. I guess she would be in her 60s or thereabouts, if she's still alive. Somehow I seem to recall reading that she came from or lived in the Albany, NY area? I'm not at all sure about that. It would be a fascinating topic for someone to sleuth out, especially if they could find Joan's daughter and ask her what (if any) she remembers of WSB.

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Lucien Carr I just read somewhere has recently died. There was a obituary in one of the papers online. I hope it doesn't sound too vulture-like, but perhaps in the not too distant future Mr Harris may be able to obtain permission from Mr Carr's surviving family to see if there are any letters from his earlier life - when he knew the beats- that Mr Carr may have held onto. Also there may be letters from Mr Carr in other collections that may be now freed up for possible scholarship and publication. I imagine if there is much material surviving it could make for fascinating reading- depending on how many personal letters were written and how personally revealing they were.

I would be intrigued to hear from Mr Harris if this seems at all likely or possible. I wouldn't be surprised if the material- if indeed there ever was much of it- no longer exists. After all, it appears Mr Carr made a clean break from the past after he got out of jail, following the infamous incident for which he is so well known (and which was the only real reason he got an obituary in a major newspaper. He had apparently been living a quiet, ordinary family life and had worked for the same established company for the rest of his working life following his release from jail. It would seem after he got out of jail there was probably nothing remarkable enough about his life that even a counterculture aficionado would want to read about in great depth) .


I suppose, now that so many people from the earlier days of Burroughs' life have similarly died, perhaps we may be able to read more letters from more people. I for one would be fascinated even if they were scant notes from, if you like, 'peripheral characters'. From the sounds of things, many others would be interested too.

Whether or not such material could be shaped to interest a publisher I don't know, but then there are a lot of small presses that seem to be happy to publish some of Burroughs' less substantial bit's and pieces. The published letters of Burrough's that we have constituted- almost ironically- one of the books I perhaps have most enjoyed reading of his. That cold last letter he writes there to Ginsberg, when he has obviously just embarked on a journey into very strange new psychic territory, couldn't be a more tantalizing taste of a very different potential volume two, which surely only needs to one day be assembled. Of course there are doubtless lots of privacy issues, but let's hope this can happen as swiftly as possible. We simply must get to see the next lot of letters! We have the novels from the period, but judging from the letters we thus far have, this may well only be half of the story.


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Oliver Harris was alerted to this thread, read through it and found it very interesting. He wanted to add these words of reply, which he emailed to RealityStudio.org:

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A quick reply to the very interesting questions posed by Paul Sempschi about Burroughs' letters. To start with, Letters 1945-1959 was always going to be a selection; what I tried to do was represent fairly the balance of correspondence -- overwhelmingly to Ginsberg and Kerouac during those years -- while including as many letters as possible to other correspondents; as I recall, I included all he wrote to Ferlinghetti, Carr, and Corso. None written to Joan appear to have survived. I say "appear" advisedly, because the state of the archives back in the late 1980s and early 90s, when I hunted for them, was not good (to put it diplomatically). Until now, the great bulk of the letters Burroughs wrote after 1959, and much of his correspondence with Gysin and many others, has been held in un-cooperative private hands.

There were indeed legal issues with volume 1, and Ginsberg made some personal requests concerning the editing of letters, but in the end no blue-pencilling took place (only a few small editorial deletions, for a number of minor reasons). Burroughs himself did not intervene in any way. The only real gap in volume 1 that wasn't necessary -- and which I now regret -- concerns some good letters in the Letters to Ginsberg, 1953-1957 volume. But at the time I was worried about being too inclusive -- it was suggested to me, for example, that I incorporate the "In Search of Yage" letters, and some material published in the Interzone collection -- and I felt it was more important to present a volume that was substantial but also highly readable, rather than exhaustive and exhausting (and messy: the "Yage" letters would have confused irredeemably the already awkward distinction between "real" and literary letters). One day -- don't hold your breath, but I am becoming more optimistic -- a complete edition will be possible, and I'd love to do it. Ditto just Volume 2, 1959-1974, which would be an entirely different book -- a much wider cultural and personal range of correspondents, but also less vibrant, more businesslike. The '50s was a special time for Burroughs‚ letter-writing; never again was it so integral to his life and to his development as a writer.

Finally, there's more of the story of Burroughs' letters soon to come in the new edition of The Yage Letters -- due out in June.

I hope this helps advance the discussion a little more; and keep going, it's really interesting.

Oliver Harris


Let's all offer our thanks once again to Dr Harris. He's a real Johnson!

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Yes, definitely a great thanks to mister Harris for illuminating this shady area surrounding the suburbly edited text of letters. This is the thing about Burroughs, you cant really tag anything he's done down properly. Very elusive writing, always raises questions.
I'm very glad he was able to answer mine.


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I would just like to also sincerely thank Mr Harris for taking the trouble to respond to some of the questions raised here. I am sure we are all looking forward to 'Yage Letters Redux", and wish him well with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Burroughs' Letters
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:43 am 
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Amazon is currently listing a release date of February 7, 2012 for the second volume of Burroughs' letters. It is titled Rub Out the Words: The Letters of William S. Burroughs 1959-1974 and is being published by Ecco. (In case you're skeptical, since Amazon does sometimes list books that will never exist, this is a real project and ought to be released sometime around that date.)

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 Post subject: Re: Burroughs' Letters
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We'll see. Hope the info is correct. Not before time!


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 Post subject: Re: Burroughs' Letters
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Wonderful news!

Here's the "Rub Out the Words" page at Harper Collins: http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Rub- ... 0061711428 which says it'll be 448 pages, so it'll be quite the read. I'm hoping that Oliver Harris is involved, as he's pretty much the star of William Burroughs, whose exhaustive research and thought has contributed so much to Burroughsology (what Walter Kaufmann is to Nietzsche in the 20th C.).

Who knows, this is the harbringer of studies on the second, Cut Up, trilogy, plus better coverage of his work in the littles, which, as Jed's pointed out, is unjustly neglected, considering that it was the primary outlet for Bill's work in that period.

I wonder if this will affect Ohio's plans for the complete Burroughs/Gysin correspondence, or are Gysin's replies published in this collection, like Acosta's in HST's 2nd volume of letters? Or has Ohio somehow botched EVERYTHING LOST so badly that they've scrapped their plans? Probably not worth going into the politics of it, but when Dr. Harris wrote about it on this site, he didnt seem too happy with his relationship with them.

Interesting side note, while looking it up on Amazon, I came across this: http://www.amazon.com/Pook-Observed-Whi ... im_sbs_b_1 which is coming out around the same time.


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