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		<title>By: RealityStudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealityStudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a long essay by Spinrad about the interrelationship of Beats and sci-fi writers. There is a considerable section on Burroughs.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/normanspinrad/beats.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a long essay by Spinrad about the interrelationship of Beats and sci-fi writers. There is a considerable section on Burroughs.</p>
<p><a href="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/normanspinrad/beats.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/normanspinrad/beats.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: RealityStudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealityStudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry Miles, El Hombre Invisible, p 182

&quot;&#039;And Bury the Bread Deep in the Sky&#039; [from Wild Boys] is the kind of sf story that MIchael Moorcock has made his own, with time and space shifts which enable the protagonist to rewrite history.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Miles, El Hombre Invisible, p 182</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;And Bury the Bread Deep in the Sky&#8217; [from Wild Boys] is the kind of sf story that MIchael Moorcock has made his own, with time and space shifts which enable the protagonist to rewrite history.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor Bockris&#039;s book of interviews Beat Punks opens with this ancedote about Berrigan and Burroughs.  &quot;When Ted Berrigan, who published one of Burroughs&#039;s scrapbooks (Time, C Press 1965)took copies of the book to Burroughs in his suite in the Chelsea, he took a plastic machine gun because he couldnt afford to pay any royalties.  &#039;You look through the site of the gun and you saw images.&#039;  &quot;It&#039;s an image machine gun,&quot; I told him.&#039;  Berrigan remembers.  &quot;But he didnt seem impressed and I got out of there pretty quickly.&quot;

Interesting story on many levels.  This meeting must have taken place in early 1965 just after Burroughs returned from St. Louis.  In addition it is interesting that Berrigan and Burroughs were not great friends.  The relationship was heavily weighted in Burroughs&#039;s favor.  &quot;I got out of there pretty quickly.&quot;  Kind of like gaining attendance with the King.  

Rereading Daniel Kane&#039;s book Poets All Welcome on the poetry scene on the lower east side, I found out that Berrigan sent out copies of the first issue of C Journal to a who&#039;s who of the avant garde literary world (like Ginsberg did copies of Howl; Berrigan is to the New York School what Ginsberg is to the Beats as press agent) including Burroughs.  This would be in 1963.  Possibly Burroughs responded and initiated the correspondance that would start in 1964 and lead to Burroughs&#039;s publication by Berrigan.

The plot thickens!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor Bockris&#8217;s book of interviews Beat Punks opens with this ancedote about Berrigan and Burroughs.  &#8220;When Ted Berrigan, who published one of Burroughs&#8217;s scrapbooks (Time, C Press 1965)took copies of the book to Burroughs in his suite in the Chelsea, he took a plastic machine gun because he couldnt afford to pay any royalties.  &#8216;You look through the site of the gun and you saw images.&#8217;  &#8220;It&#8217;s an image machine gun,&#8221; I told him.&#8217;  Berrigan remembers.  &#8220;But he didnt seem impressed and I got out of there pretty quickly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting story on many levels.  This meeting must have taken place in early 1965 just after Burroughs returned from St. Louis.  In addition it is interesting that Berrigan and Burroughs were not great friends.  The relationship was heavily weighted in Burroughs&#8217;s favor.  &#8220;I got out of there pretty quickly.&#8221;  Kind of like gaining attendance with the King.  </p>
<p>Rereading Daniel Kane&#8217;s book Poets All Welcome on the poetry scene on the lower east side, I found out that Berrigan sent out copies of the first issue of C Journal to a who&#8217;s who of the avant garde literary world (like Ginsberg did copies of Howl; Berrigan is to the New York School what Ginsberg is to the Beats as press agent) including Burroughs.  This would be in 1963.  Possibly Burroughs responded and initiated the correspondance that would start in 1964 and lead to Burroughs&#8217;s publication by Berrigan.</p>
<p>The plot thickens!!</p>
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		<title>By: brian cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thought on the Burroughs / Berrigan / Sanders connection.  THE DICK is a hoot and a holler.  I had one last year.  Sadly sold it in one day from a quote to a collector, but I still have my catalog description which gives some sense of it:

SANDERS, Ed. THE DICK: An Occasional Newspaper of Observation, Literature, and Commentary - Vol. 1, No. 1. n.p. [New York: The F**k You Press, 1967].
First edition. Wraps. Folio. Full-page headline proclaims: &quot;Poet Ted Berrigan Teaches Parrot to Scarf Cock.&quot; And that about captures the tone of
this one-shot from Sanders&#039; legendary press. A sort of pseudo-community newspaper in the form of a lit. mag...Or a pseudo-lit. mag in the form of a
sex tabloid. A definite oddball, but an intimate (in more ways than one) snapshot of the late-sixties downtown poetry scene. In-jokes abound. Provocative and playful with many of Sanders&#039; distinctive illustrations.  About near fine with some toning at spine and light edgewear. [Clay and Phillips, 167] 8pp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thought on the Burroughs / Berrigan / Sanders connection.  THE DICK is a hoot and a holler.  I had one last year.  Sadly sold it in one day from a quote to a collector, but I still have my catalog description which gives some sense of it:</p>
<p>SANDERS, Ed. THE DICK: An Occasional Newspaper of Observation, Literature, and Commentary &#8211; Vol. 1, No. 1. n.p. [New York: The F**k You Press, 1967].<br />
First edition. Wraps. Folio. Full-page headline proclaims: &#8220;Poet Ted Berrigan Teaches Parrot to Scarf Cock.&#8221; And that about captures the tone of<br />
this one-shot from Sanders&#8217; legendary press. A sort of pseudo-community newspaper in the form of a lit. mag&#8230;Or a pseudo-lit. mag in the form of a<br />
sex tabloid. A definite oddball, but an intimate (in more ways than one) snapshot of the late-sixties downtown poetry scene. In-jokes abound. Provocative and playful with many of Sanders&#8217; distinctive illustrations.  About near fine with some toning at spine and light edgewear. [Clay and Phillips, 167] 8pp.</p>
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		<title>By: RealityStudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealityStudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSB, &quot;Films,&quot; The Third Mind, p146. WSB explains a &quot;deadliner&quot; -- a word used in the cut-up -- and how it &quot;derived from a story by Barrington J. Bayley called &#039;The Star Virus,&#039; which appeared in New World&#039;s SF, May-June 1964, Vol 48, No. 142...&quot; He goes on to quote a passage from the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSB, &#8220;Films,&#8221; The Third Mind, p146. WSB explains a &#8220;deadliner&#8221; &#8212; a word used in the cut-up &#8212; and how it &#8220;derived from a story by Barrington J. Bayley called &#8216;The Star Virus,&#8217; which appeared in New World&#8217;s SF, May-June 1964, Vol 48, No. 142&#8230;&#8221; He goes on to quote a passage from the story.</p>
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		<title>By: jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard back from Ken Lopez who was in touch with UCLA.  Here is the scoop: it seems there must have been two (at least) copies of Ticket that were inscribed to Ted Berrigan: the UCLA copy is still at UCLA.  The inscription on it is as follows (as described by the UCLA librarian): &quot;On the half-title page, Burroughs has written in red marker &quot;For T.B. William S. Burroughs&quot; and he has also written &quot;For Ted Berrigan&quot; in pen directly underneath the title.&quot;

There is no further information on when the UCLA inscription took place or where.  Interesting that Burroughs would inscribe the same book to Berrigan.  Possibly that book was particularly dear to Berrigan or just happened to be on hand.  

I was surfing Jan Herman&#039;s blog and came across a piece on Ed Sanders and the Fugs.  In it, Herman mentions Sanders The Dick, a one (maybe two) shot periodical from Fuck You Press.  The headline reads Ted Berrigan Teaches Parrot to Scarf Cock.  It got me thinking: could this be a reference to the film Burroughs Buys a Parrot.

Without a doubt there seems to be quite a lot of links between Burroughs and Berrigan.  If anyone has any letters or other information please post here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard back from Ken Lopez who was in touch with UCLA.  Here is the scoop: it seems there must have been two (at least) copies of Ticket that were inscribed to Ted Berrigan: the UCLA copy is still at UCLA.  The inscription on it is as follows (as described by the UCLA librarian): &#8220;On the half-title page, Burroughs has written in red marker &#8220;For T.B. William S. Burroughs&#8221; and he has also written &#8220;For Ted Berrigan&#8221; in pen directly underneath the title.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no further information on when the UCLA inscription took place or where.  Interesting that Burroughs would inscribe the same book to Berrigan.  Possibly that book was particularly dear to Berrigan or just happened to be on hand.  </p>
<p>I was surfing Jan Herman&#8217;s blog and came across a piece on Ed Sanders and the Fugs.  In it, Herman mentions Sanders The Dick, a one (maybe two) shot periodical from Fuck You Press.  The headline reads Ted Berrigan Teaches Parrot to Scarf Cock.  It got me thinking: could this be a reference to the film Burroughs Buys a Parrot.</p>
<p>Without a doubt there seems to be quite a lot of links between Burroughs and Berrigan.  If anyone has any letters or other information please post here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting question as both Pynchon and Burroughs share similarities.  Both are described as unreadable, both marginalized themselves as individuals, their books are symbols of hip and must reads (or at least must haves for placement on your bookself) for the 60&#039;s/early 70&#039;s counterculture, etc.  But you are right, Pynchon sells in a way Burroughs does not.  Pynchon sold 175,000 copies of Mason &amp; Dixon in 6 weeks.  Burroughs cant approach that but like the Velvet Underground who had a small but influential listenership (each person who bought the LPs started a band) so does Burroughs in a way Pynchon does not.  Is that right??

I wonder if the answer to this difference in success in the publishing industry comes down to the simple hard drug use and homosexuality featured in Burroughs&#039;s work.  I think Burroughs&#039;s subject matter and his treatment of it is more fringe than Pynchon&#039;s.

The $20,000 advance is interesting.  I would assume Burroughs got that advance for Nova Express from Grove.  As you state Burroughs was proud of that advance.  He should be.  He received only $800 for Naked Lunch merely five years before and the work he was producing was less commercial, less accessable, and more difficult than Naked Lunch.  His major project of 1965 The Third Mind would not find a publisher until 1978 and the three column stuff, like APO-33, Time and The Dead Star would never find a mainstream publisher unless you count the smaller pieces in The Burroughs File.  

That might be your other answer: form.  In matters of form Burroughs is far more &quot;marginal&quot; and experimental than Pynchon.  So maybe the answer is form and content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting question as both Pynchon and Burroughs share similarities.  Both are described as unreadable, both marginalized themselves as individuals, their books are symbols of hip and must reads (or at least must haves for placement on your bookself) for the 60&#8242;s/early 70&#8242;s counterculture, etc.  But you are right, Pynchon sells in a way Burroughs does not.  Pynchon sold 175,000 copies of Mason &amp; Dixon in 6 weeks.  Burroughs cant approach that but like the Velvet Underground who had a small but influential listenership (each person who bought the LPs started a band) so does Burroughs in a way Pynchon does not.  Is that right??</p>
<p>I wonder if the answer to this difference in success in the publishing industry comes down to the simple hard drug use and homosexuality featured in Burroughs&#8217;s work.  I think Burroughs&#8217;s subject matter and his treatment of it is more fringe than Pynchon&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The $20,000 advance is interesting.  I would assume Burroughs got that advance for Nova Express from Grove.  As you state Burroughs was proud of that advance.  He should be.  He received only $800 for Naked Lunch merely five years before and the work he was producing was less commercial, less accessable, and more difficult than Naked Lunch.  His major project of 1965 The Third Mind would not find a publisher until 1978 and the three column stuff, like APO-33, Time and The Dead Star would never find a mainstream publisher unless you count the smaller pieces in The Burroughs File.  </p>
<p>That might be your other answer: form.  In matters of form Burroughs is far more &#8220;marginal&#8221; and experimental than Pynchon.  So maybe the answer is form and content.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moorcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moorcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norman Spinrad, author of Bug Jack Barron, The Iron Dream and other books, tells how he was in New York and had just received what was for him an incredibly high advance for his latest novel.  The day he heard he was at a party in New York and met Bill, whom he knew from London.  He mentioned that he had just received the highest advance he&#039;d ever had and Bill said he was feeling equally good since he, too, had just received a huge advance, his biggest ever.  Norman&#039;s had been $20,000.  &#039;How much was yours, Bill ?&#039; he asked.
&#039;$20,000!&#039; said Bill proudly.  
Norman, of course, found this shocking, having assumed Bill would be making far more money.   Part of this was based on our understanding of the kind of advances Pynchon was getting.  We admired Burroughs far more than Pynchon and regarded Burroughs as better and more original writer.  I continue to be surprised at how marginalised Burroughs still seems to be, compared to the likes of Pynchon.  I&#039;m wondering why this should be and if anyone has an opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norman Spinrad, author of Bug Jack Barron, The Iron Dream and other books, tells how he was in New York and had just received what was for him an incredibly high advance for his latest novel.  The day he heard he was at a party in New York and met Bill, whom he knew from London.  He mentioned that he had just received the highest advance he&#8217;d ever had and Bill said he was feeling equally good since he, too, had just received a huge advance, his biggest ever.  Norman&#8217;s had been $20,000.  &#8216;How much was yours, Bill ?&#8217; he asked.<br />
&#8216;$20,000!&#8217; said Bill proudly.<br />
Norman, of course, found this shocking, having assumed Bill would be making far more money.   Part of this was based on our understanding of the kind of advances Pynchon was getting.  We admired Burroughs far more than Pynchon and regarded Burroughs as better and more original writer.  I continue to be surprised at how marginalised Burroughs still seems to be, compared to the likes of Pynchon.  I&#8217;m wondering why this should be and if anyone has an opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: RealityStudio</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interview with Burroughs, New York, 1965, &quot;The Hallucinatory Operators Are Real,&quot; reprinted in Burroughs Live, pp 82 - 87.

Burroughs: &quot;And among other moderns, Mr. Ballard and Mr. Moorcock in England [interest him]... I get this quite regularly [holds up a magazine], New Worlds Science Fiction which I believed is edited by Michael Moorcock, and I&#039;ve found some extremely good stories in there.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interview with Burroughs, New York, 1965, &#8220;The Hallucinatory Operators Are Real,&#8221; reprinted in Burroughs Live, pp 82 &#8211; 87.</p>
<p>Burroughs: &#8220;And among other moderns, Mr. Ballard and Mr. Moorcock in England [interest him]&#8230; I get this quite regularly [holds up a magazine], New Worlds Science Fiction which I believed is edited by Michael Moorcock, and I&#8217;ve found some extremely good stories in there.&#8221;</p>
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